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May 24, 2008 at 1:09 am #587
What happens if a person gets offered more than one contract? Let’s say you get offered a contract for Position A and then a few days later get offered a contract for Position B (and Position B is the one you really want to do, but not knowing what would happen already said yes to Position A)? I haven’t had this happen to me, but since I (and others) have applied for many different positions I assume this situation comes up from time to time.May 24, 2008 at 2:44 am #5665Been_ThereMember
One would hope that HR would not let that happen….one would hope. Let’s see what others with direct experience have to say.
BTMay 24, 2008 at 3:01 am #5666
Yep, I would think so as well, but so far it seems that the hiring managers don’t necessarily communicate with each other on all these matters. I was interviewed a couple of weeks ago for a position and at that time I was told that other managers might be in contact and that other offers might be made (though that hasn’t happened). The person I spoke with made it sound like it wasn’t an uncommon thing to have happen. I don’t know.
-=CHMay 24, 2008 at 5:38 am #5667SciencetechKeymaster
There was a similar question posed last year, but I don’t think the conversation resolved much. See: http://groups.msn.com/Antarcticmemories/leaveamessage.msnw?action=get_message&ID_Message=2875&ShowDelete=0&CDir=-2
If you get an offer for job A but want B…
- If you’ve already had contact with the “B” hiring manager but haven’t received a job offer yet, I’d call or email B and explain the situation. “I want to work for you but I have this other offer. Should I take it?” It could spur them into action.
- If you haven’t been interviewed for B and have no contacts, I would stall for a couple days (maybe longer) before accepting A. This happened to me… I received the B interview two days after the A offer came, but I hadn’t accepted A yet. Good thing.
- If you’ve already accepted A and then B calls for an interview… Ugh. Like others said, we hope that doesn’t happen but sometimes it does. Your guess is as good as mine, but I think I’d take the honest-is-the-best-policy approach. Interview with B, tell them you want the job but that you’ve already signed on with A. (They’d find out anyway.) Maybe managers A and B can hash it out in your favor. Most managers really do want their employees to be happy, and this early in the hiring season it’s easy to switch things around. This becomes less likely as the deployment season approaches.
Note that verbal acceptance of a job offer is not the same thing as signing and returning the offer letter. If I’ve verbally said “Yes” but haven’t signed anything, and a better offer arrives, you can bet I’ll take the better job and back out of the verbal acceptance. If I’ve signed something then I might discuss it with them, but I won’t back out unless they let me do so.
Just my .02.
glennMay 24, 2008 at 7:53 am #5668
I read through the post from last year and it did answer some questions I had. Your reply pretty much cleared up the rest for me. Thanks!
-=CHMay 24, 2008 at 8:04 am #5669
One thing I forgot to ask… I’ve been in contact with several people at Raytheon both in HR and supervisors in various departments. I’ve never been clear on who the “hiring manager” is. Is the hiring manager the HR person responsible for going through the applicants and then that person hands a stack of applications to a department supervisor? I’ve gotten emails from Raytheon that imply the hiring manager is in HR and other emails that seem to suggest the hiring manager is the supervisor that goes to the ice. It’s all starting to get a bit blurry.May 24, 2008 at 8:35 am #5670MightyAtlasModerator
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Semper Chaos.May 24, 2008 at 8:44 am #5671
Is this what they refer to as “snow blind”?May 24, 2008 at 8:51 am #5672SciencetechKeymaster
Yeah, blurry is right. Or maybe muddy.
Here’s my understanding of the typical process (someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but this is how it’s worked for me)…
The hiring manager is usually the deploying supervisor, or someone else in his/her department at the same level or higher. Often they interview a bunch of people and then have a pow-wow to see if they can all agree on who they like. Once the department decides who they want to hire, they throw it back to HR and say “hire this person for us, pretty please.”
That’s where things get mucky. HR has created a lot of hoops that the managers (and applicant) has to jump through before they can get hired. A lot of it is driven by the fact that it’s a government contract and they have to fulfill a bunch of federal mandates for filling positions. A mistake on the part of the department or supervisor could potentially delay or cancel the job offer. This all assumes that your application even makes to the manager/supervisor in the first place because HR now receives them and weeds through them before passing them along (a sore point with me).
Does that help? Clear as skua poop? Yep, welcome to the company.May 24, 2008 at 9:10 am #5673
Uh-huh, makes perfect sense. I know that HR (and RPSC in general) is under the watchful eye of the government and has to keep its duckies in a row. I also realize that much of what happens during the hiring process will remain a mystery to me–at least for now. Yep, sometimes it sure seems like that “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain” scene out of the Wizard of Oz.May 24, 2008 at 9:48 pm #5674afrosemiteMember
This is the exact thing that happened to me this season. I was told by the B hiring manager that they “tend to frown” on people stealing already spoken for candidates. Kind of sucks, but I am happy to have any job. Not getting the job of your dreams just means you may have to change your dream a little =)May 24, 2008 at 11:29 pm #5675AnonymousMember
I have a similar problem to that .I have a lot of varied Experience , in the construction field . Five years as a Navy Seabee ( Plumbing , Boiler Operation & Maintenance, Heating & A/C ,Heavy Equipment Operation & Maintenance ,Surveying , Commercial & Residential Construction Builder , three years as Personal Director of Company with seventy five Employees , four years as Framing and Trim Carpenter , Construction Company Owner with four to twenty Employees in Land Development , Government involvement , six year as City Councilman , five years as a Director of Chamber of Commerce with two years as President , Director of Lyons Club , Representative to NTM Water Board . I have used Computers since 1982 and know a great deal about Software and Computer Repair
But it seems to me like they think a person should be a Specialist all the time .And I was good at all theses Experiences or I would not have been able to go to the next ,and this is not Job swapping , most of it was under control of myself as Owner and I was very fortune to be able to accomplish it all
Percy A SimmonsMay 26, 2008 at 8:40 pm #5676thepooles98Keymaster
I look at it this way. There are 4 million of you vying for the same jobs. I know you want the apex ace job and you really think you might get it, but it might not ever happen. Turn down one and you may never get the chance again.
As the old saying goes, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
It’s funny, take a GA job. I’ve met some that were disgusted and hated it. The jobs were beneath them. People next to them were paid twice as much doing the same thing. They balked every time someone asked them to crawl on their bellies to dig out some snow. Right with them were people who thought doing the same thing was the best job there ever was. It’s so bizarre, how the human brain works. If you make what you do fun, suddenly life is great.
I would say, your first year, if you get an offer take it and make the best of it. Listen to no one that has a negative attitude. Hang around people who laugh and are having a great time. You may not have as big a bank account at the end of the season, but you will go into the next stage of your life fundementally changed. You may see Antarctica as a turning point in your life.
By the time you go back again, some of this will be old hat. You will know everyone and if you networked well, you may have a much better chance at your dream job. But then again, you will be changed, and what you thought would be your dream job may not be any longer.
My advice, don’t worry, be happy. Get exercise, enjoy life and better yet, enjoy your friends.
May 26, 2008 at 10:01 pm #5677
I agree that just getting a job offer in the first place is half the battle!
As I’ve scoured the web looking for information about working in Antarctica I’ve come across several postings from people who have received multiple job offers from RPSC–that’s why I started this thread. I haven’t been one of those fortunate few who get to select from more than one position but figured that someone must have had to sort this out before.
Some of the uncertainty (at least for me) comes from having several jobs sitting in In Review status for weeks and not knowing when/if “the call” might come in. I know from other postings that there are many of us that are in this situation.
My opinion is to say yes to the first position that is offered and then, if you feel you must, contact any of the hiring managers for the other positions and give them an update on your status. I know that when I have spoken to some of the hiring managers this season regarding updates on information/status, they’ve really appreciated being kept in the loop. If a manager was just about to call you regarding a different position I assume they would get together with the other higher-ups and sort out where you (and your talents) would be best utilized in the program.
I might be wrong here, but from my experience this is usually how it works.
-=CHMay 30, 2008 at 7:08 am #5678
It looks like I am going to be offered an alternate position as a GA which is great. However, I still have some jobs listed on Rayjobs that show In Review. One of them is a Met Tech position which I have already kind of been interviewed for (the hiring manager had me provide written responses to a bunch of questions, asked me if I would be available for training in September, and if I could possibly work in Denver for a couple of weeks during the summer).
Now my question is if I say yes to the alternate position does that eliminate me from all of the other jobs I am in review for? The alternate is not a guarantee of a a job so will Raytheon let me pursue the other positions that might end up with an offer of primary instead of alternate? Is this something I should ask HR?
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